The impact of social media on my work, gauging quality and a bit of advice...
Lead Artist interview
for Webinart George Sfougaras 2.00 pm November 12th
2019. Some additional notes and bits that there was no time to discuss.
What has been the
impact of social media on your work?
It has been good and also detrimental, but the good
outweighs the bad.
When I was making art and hoping to sell it immediately
after my degree, the problem was getting the work seen by the public. The only way this could be achieved was by
securing a place to exhibit, in group shows or in solo exhibitions. Even then,
the audience numbers would be relatively small. A few hundred people would
perhaps engage with works shown in such a way. Now, of course, I can post an
image on Facebook or Instagram and receive immediate responses from any part of
the world. If I want to sell work and want to do this for an edition of prints,
I have to think very carefully whether I can physically meet the possible
demands and cope with the administrative aspect of packaging and sending work
to different parts of the world. A couple of years ago, I made some very
personal resonant maps, one of them being my mother’s birthplace which was
destroyed during the 1920’s war on the coast of Turkey. The map won a prize and
then after posting on social media found its way to several parts of the world.
This would not have happened without the power and reach of social media. I now always ask myself, is this the right
time to promote this work? Often I feel that it is not and I hold on to an
edition for future review and to use in a way that it will be impactful,
perhaps as part of an exhibition.
At the same time, there is a set of variables that have
emerged with the advent of social media, which are not so positive. In his book
‘Playing to the Gallery’, Grayson Perry cleverly describes the tension between
what the public likes and what actually constitutes ‘good art’ in the eyes of
people who make it and who promote it. He uses as an example the most popular
exhibition in Britain and the 5th most popular in the world in
2012. Namely the David Hockney show in
the Royal Academy. Senior curators and
others thought that was a terrible exhibition. He also mentions two Russian
artists Komar and Melamid who commissioned polls in several different countries
to find out what people wanted most in art. The results were shocking. ‘In
nearly every country, all people really wanted was a landscape with a few
figures around, animals in the foreground, mainly blue.’ After the experiment, they said: ’In looking for freedom, we found slavery’.
I mention the above from Grayson Perry’s book, because when
I post on social media, the reactions are interesting, but I know not to let
them define my output. For instance one of my most liked images was of a very
traditional academic drawing, which was reposted several times and achieved a
great number of positive comments. Although I liked doing the work and it was
good to see its popularity, making more work like that would have been
impossible and possibly quite detrimental. The work came along naturally at
that point and it signified a particular theme and commitment to make a small
series of works on paper, relating to a visit to Mount Athos. Having recorded that event and commemorated
it through the drawing, I needed to move on. I could have easily been swayed by
the reaction to make more work on the theme and to capitalise on its
popularity, but I did not feel compelled to do it at the time. The theme had
been exhausted for me and it was important to keep moving.
So in essence, I would say, use social media to give your
work an audience and to see how it sits in the large and hugely impressive body
of visual work that gets posted every day. Post the work with the comments or
without the comments that spring from your creative thoughts and just let it be
out there. I sometimes, actually and possibly quite recklessly, believe that if
the work is not that popular, it may actually be just beyond what is accepted
as the norm on Instagram. It makes me feel that I have perhaps pushed beyond
the norm and that in itself is a good place to be. That difficult to access set
of aesthetics that moves beyond the polished figurative representation and
easily read meanings/subject matter may be (just for me, as I can only really
comment on my own perceptions here) the place where innovation happens. It
could also be that the work just did not touch anyone, or that it simply did
not interest people. I think what has changed for me drastically, is that I do
not really invest much time thinking about the popularity of the work. I think what I do now is observe more
dispassionately. Having said that, I still love the fact that we can share and
connect with others. With age, I have come to increasingly feel that popularity
is not at all the same as value, or depth. So the wish to share a message in
the work and the resulting connectedness keep me posting.
How do you gauge the
quality of what you make?
So, this has changed over time. I have always made art, even
when I taught and had a very demanding career as a manager in schools. The
quality of the work was often a subject for rumination. Others always seemed
positive and being in a school as an art teacher, your work is often admired by
young people who are either impressed with your skill, or colleagues who are
being kind but with due respect are perhaps not judging it as potential owners
of the work.
Unless you have a few hard critics in your circle, you sail
through your amateur making years in a haze of praise and feeling like maybe
you should quit your day job and simply dedicate your life to making this work
that everyone seems very fond of (but no one is prepared to pay for). Mostly during those years, the work that
appealed to others was always figurative, detailed and accurately painted/faithful
to the original reference material. The
few critical friends, who may or may not be artists have their own views about
what is good and what is not so great. I got very lucky by developing a way of
not really listening to their comments. I think this happened as a result of
the tendency of some tutors at Art College to try and demolish a piece of work
during a critique so that the student reflects deeply about their motives and
outcomes. That approach switched me off to criticism which took pleasure in its
own existence. I learned that if you sat with your work, you could formulate
your own judgments about its quality and value. This is perhaps something which again
happened very recently. So the quality of the work is determined by three questions:
The first is about the ‘story’ I am trying to communicate. Is
this what I wanted to say?
The second one is about the practical outcomes, technique,
accuracy, quality of execution and the look of the finished work: Is this piece competent enough to depict the
story it is trying to tell? Sometimes ‘errors’ in the drawing of the figure if
they are not part of the intention can detract from the message. People may see
the ‘mistakes’ rather than what you are trying to say, and the message is less
powerful.
The last one is the easiest to answer honestly because you
cannot justify to yourself that in which you do not believe: Did this come from
the heart? I know for a fact that if it is not meant if it has no substance
and if it does not mean something important to me, it will not be a strong
piece of work. Although the maker, in this case, I, is the only one that knows
the answer, and the answer is readily available to me, introspection if left
unchecked can really stifle one’s production and damage your confidence.
Somewhere in all of the above, there has to be an element of
acceptance of our human fallibility. The
story may not be as strong, there may be technical issues and so on. However,
the piece must not feel devoid of merit, of thought and most of all conviction.
The ‘quality’ of the work may fluctuate, but I really believe that conviction
can’t or else the outcomes will be poor.
That is my take on this, and I know for a fact it is a very idiographic
or a particular way of looking at things.
Do you make the work
with the intention of people understanding it? What happens if the work is just
not understood?
Actually, yes, I always want people to have a handle on some
aspect if not all of the elements of the work. Some years ago I co-wrote a
booklet entitled ‘Evaluating Artefacts’.
It was meant to encourage critical and informed evaluation and
understanding of unfamiliar objects, some from other cultural contexts, without
the value judgments of cultural bias.
It ended up being quite important in my thinking, as I
researched and analysed the way we evaluated visual materials. The way that
Personal, Cultural and Religious aesthetic considerations, Appropriate
Technology and the demands of potential ‘Consumers’ are embodied in the Maker’s
intentions and the objects made were open to interpretation by the Viewer.
If the maker and the viewer have very different viewpoints,
then the objects made will be seen very differently from those positions. I am
aware that some of the things I create are very personal and are rooted in my
own experiences and values. I use some
visual symbols that are universal but others are hard to decipher if one is not
familiar with them. For me, there has to be a small stepping stone to accessing
the work, even though the full meaning of it may not be evident to the viewer.
I keep going back to the work we did in the Evaluating
Artefacts book. There is a triangle made up of the Artist, the audience or
Viewer and the Object itself. My work, I believe can take on a guise and a life
of its own, beyond my intentions, as the person looking on it can project his
or her personal and cultural norms on the piece. For me it is not about making something that
is aesthetically pleasing, however. I think it is more about making something
that feels right and sits well in my belief system and intentions.
You were a teacher
for 30 years. You purposefully left
teaching (retiring early) to make art.
Recently you have been very busy, often working internationally. Was this something that you foresaw, or was
it accidental?
Actually no. I think I had very little idea about what was
going to happen. I simply wanted to tell my stories visually and have a less
high impact activity in my life.
Teaching and managing in secondary education and having children were
the most important and most difficult learning experiences of my life. I
thought that making art would be relaxing and poetic, less stressful, genteel
and a way to make my life fruitful and enjoyable after a very fulfilling but
stressful career.
I started to make paintings and to print and acquired a
studio and all that somehow was not even really directed at anything, such as
exhibitions or travel. I started to write and to illustrate things that
mattered. Family history, emotional journeys
through life, the experiences that for over 30 years had been filed away,
whilst I was busy been responsible for others. I had time to reflect on the
history of the part of the world I come from and revisit my parents’ lives,
posthumously. The results were a mixture
of sadness, pride, wonder, fascination. Ultimately the need emerged even more
strongly to recover and retain their story, pass it on and demonstrate that despite
all the distance that may separate people geo-politically our humanity binds us
inextricably. I started to reconcile myself with a painful history of wars,
conflict and displacement and to want that feeling of looking and accepting,
moving on and healing to become a key part of what I made. I was lucky to
receive some recognition and support from various corners of the world and
various organisations. Often the work
meant discomfort, perhaps travel, difficult subject matter or simply hard work.
The lesson that I learned was that saying no to things because they are hard
closes doors and saying yes to the unknown does the opposite.
So I am now proud of having worked with Etz Hayyim in Crete and have such warm feelings of gratitude for enabling me to be a small part of the healing journey of the last surviving Jewish religious monument/synagogue in Crete. I am equally grateful that I was able to access the work of Scholar Mohammad Ballan from Chicago. His translations from Arabic sources enabled me to write a history of the Arab Emirate of Crete. This gave me an insight into academic writing and the beauty of looking at the past through another’s lens. It also made me realised that the past and the present are not simply a continuum, but part of a cyclical process; each affects the other. How? Because we look at History through the way that History is recorded and the biases of the writers.
So I am now proud of having worked with Etz Hayyim in Crete and have such warm feelings of gratitude for enabling me to be a small part of the healing journey of the last surviving Jewish religious monument/synagogue in Crete. I am equally grateful that I was able to access the work of Scholar Mohammad Ballan from Chicago. His translations from Arabic sources enabled me to write a history of the Arab Emirate of Crete. This gave me an insight into academic writing and the beauty of looking at the past through another’s lens. It also made me realised that the past and the present are not simply a continuum, but part of a cyclical process; each affects the other. How? Because we look at History through the way that History is recorded and the biases of the writers.
Our
sense of who we are is shaped by someone’s particular viewpoint and is very
personal and rooted in their value system. National rhetoric and the
interpretation of the past shape our present and also make us reflect on our
History through a distorted lens.
To recover the past is not an act of nostalgia or morbid
curiosity. It is an important function of a time-limited life: to learn from
those that preceded us and to hand down important information. We cannot forget
the mistakes of the past, nor the people and the experiences that have shaped
us. In recovering those individual and collective narratives we are able to
feel, acknowledge, learn and forgive.
“The ‘us’ here is wide,
embracing and unifying. Beauty endures in our common human bonds across space, time,
language and beliefs. Therefore, there is hope as this vision is so much more
compelling than that of the current crop of our chest-thumping political
masters. What is uncovered here is light and love, deep and wide enough to
embrace all our stories.”
Rita Hindocha, July 2019 Introduction to the
Recovered Histories Project.
What advice would you
give to other artists and makers?
Take on the work and don’t ask how it will be made. Ask only why and if it should be made. This applies to your own work as well as
large commissions. Be flexible and let your convictions be your guide. Don’t
sweat the small stuff and do not become side-tracked by small irritations from
having your work made and your story told.






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